Living & Working in Great Places
Hey Guys -
A reporter has contacted us at Cool Works because she is interested in speaking with job applicants in their teens and early twenties, who feel they have lost out on summer jobs due to competition with older workers, who are in their 50s or older, or as we like to call them "Older and Bolder."
Are any of you in that situation?
If so, and you are interested in being interviewed, please send us your contact information (name, phone, and email) to firstname.lastname@example.org so we can pass it along to the reporter.
What about us in-betweeners who are in our 30's losing jobs to the older and bolder as well as younger crowd?
I do not see the logic in this at all... younger people are "losing" jobs to Older Bolder types???? This statement implies the jobs belonged only to the younger people. This reeks of the growing sentiment of some in this country that what one group earns should be taken away from them and GIVEN to another group. No Older Bolder person was given a job over a younger person because they were older. On the contrary, they were better qualified.
that's so funny, Leave it to a reporter to ask such an assinine question. There's no one taking anyones jobs. The jobs are there and the best qualified are hired. plain and simple. What the hell? Am I supposed to crawl into a corner and die because I've reached maturity?
As far as I'm concerned this qualifies as the STUPIDEST subject I've ever seen onm this site. Like I stated b4, leave it to a reporter to ask such an assinine thing!
Hell the young are taking the jobs from the older if ya want to see it in such a way as this. I give up! how pathetic!
I think it's safe to say many, if not most, employers favor young hires for a lot of their summer positions. So, to me, the reporter is investigating the wrong topic. This is especially true of tour desks, front desks and similar jobs where employers want the young, athletic, cover magazine look to their operation.
sorry if I offended anyone. I have this thing about reporter. they seem to be on the bottom of my like list.
Lately, I have felt like I have losing out to younger people. It is disheartening to be sitting at a place filling out an application next to some 17 year old, knowing damn well that the 17 year old is going to get the job, even though I have mega years experience for the position. But since this being my first seasonal gig coming up, I was elated to know that the Grand Canyon doesn't know a thing about my age, my color, my appearance and hired me sight unseen. And at the age of 54, I AM NOT OLD!!
I'm in my early twenties and do not feel like I've lost out due to competition with older applicants. If many young people have lost out on summer work, perhaps it's more likely they applied too late, didn't have solid references, or don't interview over the phone very well. Regardless of the fact that HR departments could ballpark your age based on graduation dates, it is illegal for them to ask your age and hire solely because of it. I'd say nine times out of ten, companies just want to hire people who are going to stick around the entire summer and do their job, whether they are older or not.
like i said, it's just a reporter. I don't understand their way of thinking at all. My closest guess is that their writing is like some novels you read, at least the novels state "this story is BASED on facts. " It doesnt mean there is a bit of truth writen.
Peter is certainly entitled to his opinion but I do not agree with his argument, and he should not assume most people fail to understand--maybe most people disagree with his point of view. Seasonal work has many pros and cons for both the employee and the employer. Most places are only open for a portion of the year and while many of these places have high prices for the public to contend with, the costs with running them are not only expensive but a category unto themselves as compared to year round businesses. Most must conduct telephone interviews to hire and then there is background checks an drug testing (like where I am). Many more than not must provide housing and meals for their employees so that they have a work force available. I dare to say many places could even be open to operate if they paid a typical wage for a typical job and then told the employees to find their own housing, comment and your meals are your responsibility. I certainly don't put very much stock in Wiipedia other than another internet site whose information is questionable at best (as nearly all colleges in the USA will attest to as it cannot be used as a source for research). Also, "one lawyer" does not make an "expert" on our economy. The benefits of "At Will" employment far exceed the detriments. Good managers know you just can't fire someone (or let them go) AND you won't, unless you have cause--can't do the job (untrainable) won't do the job (unmanageable) violation of company policy, rules or ethics, or conditions beyond control (say the restaurant burns down) etc. There aren't people walking in off the street to apply for jobs at most seasonal locations and you don't have "reserve" employees standing by to fill a hole when someone leaves (for whatever reason) a whole process must start again to fill the void and that process has costs. The differences in many of the seasonal positions is not just the locations and all there is to see and do but also how the company treats the employee (hours, food, housing, etc) and that is reflected in not only employee retention and return rates but also customer satisfaction. Finally I will add that I have been working and paying my USA taxes since 1964 and I was brought up with an ethic that I owed my employer an honest days work for my days wages and as long as I provide that I should expect to be treated fairly--and that has rarely been a problem for me in nearly fifty years and in the few instances I felt that agreement wasn't being met I gave my notice and moved on. There are bad managers and there are bad companies, and there are bad employees--non tend to last very long in a free market society.
Peter, I respect your right to express your views on this subject. The basis for this thread was if we thought there was problem with older bolder types taking jobs of younger applicants. I have offered my thoughts and my experiences are not just opinion but facts as well albeit my facts. I have had a very good life but I wouldn't say it was a "gravy" life. I went in the military out of high school and spent nearly 30 years as an enlisted man serving in two wars, Viet Namn and Gulf 1. Afterwards I went to work for a major airline for about 5 years but 9-11 changed the industry and I became disenchanted so I then went back to college and got my Registered Nurse degree and license. I still have a few good years in me left so my "gravy train" isn't slowing down. Oh, one last thing, you cite California... last I checked they're bankrupt.